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Post by NFA on Apr 20, 2022 19:09:10 GMT 8
Wannsee: The Road to the Final Solution By Janet Levy April 19, 2022
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Post by NFA on Apr 20, 2022 20:34:31 GMT 8
PS The link to the book mentioned above is an Amazon link so you could purchase it through Dover Cat's - New Catallaxy Amazon Store connection located on the side bar at newcatallaxy.blog/
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Tongan Finance Wizardry
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Post by Tongan Finance Wizardry on Apr 21, 2022 16:57:26 GMT 8
You are supposed to be a grown up. You are supposed to know that not everything that known war criminals say is the truth. Get it together you fucking moron. We ought not have to tolerate this level of childishness, gullibility and stupidity. "Act your age, not your shoe size" says Prince.
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Post by NFA on Apr 21, 2022 19:29:45 GMT 8
Graeme Byrd
A bit over 40 years ago I met and did some work for a bloke that described himself as a "Failed Jew".
But he was meaning he wasn't an observant Jew and felt conflicted in his knowledge of his lack of observance.
You are a raving American style Democrat Party Jew.
You think you know everything about everything when in reality you know fuck all about fuck all.
You are expelled from Judaism and are still raving and frothing at the mouth like a Gadarene.
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Post by John Hawkwood on Apr 23, 2022 9:27:33 GMT 8
You are just talking idiocy fella. When it comes to reinforcing this stain on the German people you should get your facts straight. I don't think thats too much to ask. The allies committed some of the worst war crimes since Genghis Khan and when it comes to Genghis its much harder to ascertain the facts of the matter. After committing these horrible crimes you don't imagine they needed to continue war propaganda lies in order to justify their behaviour? Of course they did. Thats another cost of not following at least the spirit of Just War Theory. This forces you to tell lies and then you can fall for these lies. Then your children and grandchildren fall for these lies and then when they become decision-makers they make stupid mistakes on the basis of false history. So get your facts right. Attempt to escape your toilet training. And if you can't stop being an idiot at least try to fake it.
Between now and then we have never seen such stupidity in war prosecution. To not make specific limited demands, but instead to demand unconditional surrender, then to start right off the bat bombing civilians sets up a situation for gargantuan disaster and carnage. This ought to be obvious. But still in your little mind you view the allied leadership as heroes. You should have left this kind of thing behind in your 30's.
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Post by John Hawkwood on Apr 23, 2022 9:47:47 GMT 8
What was the real answer then? What should the allies have done if in their hearts they really thought Germany threatened them? If they believed this, and in reality they did not, but if they believed this, then they still ought not have gone to war. They should have instead closed down government departments, taken hold of the money creation benefit (now two perennial sources of massive funds in democracies) and conducted a good old fashioned arms race. What is wrong with an arms buildup? As long as you do it while still in budget surplus? There is nothing wrong with a good old fashioned arms buildup. Problem solved. But in reality there never was a problem. The Germans wanted then what the Russians want now. There were no plans for German hegemony and there were no investments made in the materiel that could have made such daydreams possible. The Soviets were making that kind of investment but not the Germans. The Germans didn't even put their economy on a war footing (as we understand it in the West) even when the war was on. Housewives broadly stayed home. The Germans simply hoped that the maniacs would come to their senses if they fought long enough. Both the Germans and the Japanese stayed open to negotiations at all times. The Japanese could have been brought around with energy security and with some means to prevent being threatened by the Soviets. It was the Soviet menace and the breaking of their alliances with the West (by the West) that forced them into China. Had they been left alone they would have been a bulwark against communism infiltrating into Asia. It was benign situation and if they were too brutal to Chinese civilians then this was something that could be talked about in relation to energy supplies.
The whole thing was an absolute catastrophe so when the allied leadership emerged from the war, having established themselves as the greatest war criminals in history, of course they were going to tell a lot of lies.
The BBC got a reputation for honesty and accuracy only after Britain became a middle power. Since the Soviets were lying all the time still, there was a niche for accuracy and honesty. So you could say that they ran a pretty good game from lets say the Suez crisis, perhaps until fairly recently. Now the British lie all the time just like they did in the first half of the century.
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Post by srr on Apr 23, 2022 11:54:35 GMT 8
[...] Both the Germans and the Japanese [...] could have been brought around [...] and if they were too brutal [...] then [...] Of course YouTube has removed all the better, straight fact reporting (and so, much harder hitting), videos of what The West, sorry, Christendom, was fighting against. Sadly much of the West has always been ravaged by the wolves within, but the better men in Christendom knew those wolves were out to devour souls and they fought to forestall that as best they could in an age when most of the world could not image, let alone be convinced that such evil walked and preyed amongst us, even in the most respectable circles. Now while you aim to white wash whole nations of hellish inhumanities committed by Nations Leaders and their knowing, willing supporters, I know both those Nations are also full of individuals who would fight against those inhumanities, just as there were and still are individuals in what was once known as Christendom who were and still are committed to those plans that require the ' dehumanising' of people. Men tasked with making the decisions between the greater good & lesser of evils will always be 'convicted' by man as 'evil' themselves, but only God will justly convict all and that should rightly cause everyone to stop trying to vindicate or convict any individual for the sins of fathers, let alone their countrymen. "ZDF documentary on Unit 731
Sep 5, 2012 Nzog In the 1930s, Japan's notorious Unit 731 carried out brutal experiments on the population of recently-invaded Manchuria. Whole villages and towns were deliberately infected with plague, and sufferers were dissected alive. Prisoners of war were shot and operated on without anaesthetic so army doctors could practise field surgery. In World War II Germany, concentration camp doctors like Josef Mengele selected twins and Romany prisoners for obscure medical experiments, and killed enemy prisoners in low temperature or high altitude tests, supposedly to protect their own sailors and airmen. After the war, many Nazi 'Doctors of Death' were brought to justice. But in Japan the head of Unit 731 cut a deal with US intelligence; the Americans knew they could never replicate biological data gained through experiments on humans. There are suggestions the US used Japanese bio-weapons in the Korean War -- but America began to suspect the North Koreans had their own unorthodox methods: brainwashing US prisoners with drugs. It was the start of a chemical arms race, reaching its peak in the 1960s and '70s with LSD as the mind-control secret weapon of both sides, intended to cripple the enemy without firing a shot. The US showed drugs experiments in army-sponsored TV documentaries, while in Czechoslovakia -- the drugs laboratory for the whole Eastern Bloc - the state-controlled movie industry was enrolled to shoot surreal feature films portraying the drugs experience. Besides biological and chemical weapons, both Americans and Soviets routinely exposed their own soldiers to nuclear fallout in A-bomb tests. According to General Jan Sejna, the highest-ranking military defector from the East, the Soviets even tied living prisoners of war to stakes as human guinea-pigs in their nuclear tests. The film has a moving and shocking interview with a Japanese doctor who operated on unanaesthetised prisoners. A captured US pilot is seen making an apparently false confession in Korea. A Czech military chemist explains how chemical weapons are deployed, and a victim of a drug-fuelled interrogation describes the experience. The man who debriefed Czech defector Jan Sejna describes the terrifying network of experimentation behind chemical, biological and atomic weapons. The Cold War is over, but weapons development -- and testing -- continues."
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Post by John Hawkwood on Apr 23, 2022 12:19:04 GMT 8
We have to be careful with these war stories. Since they have lied about so many things we can't trust them. But the point is war policy didn't stop any cruelty. It made it worse by putting the cruelty into desperately hungry and fearful hands, and later into communist hands. Whereas peace-through-strength could have lead to persuasion and unbiased inspections. It could have lead to a policy of Japanese soldiers mostly being confined to their bases. So supposing the atrocity porn is all good and according to Hoyles? Thats what war with unconditional demands for surrender got us. So that cruelty was another side effect of Western hostility whereas Western persuasion without hostility (but with strength) was not attempted. Cutting off Japan at the knees didn't start with Pearl Harbour. It started right back prior to the invasion of China.
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Post by John Hawkwood on Apr 23, 2022 13:09:06 GMT 8
The very first seconds of the video are awash with bullshit. So you know. Get better sources srr. Its hard to find historians that are not subject to intimidation. Most historians are court historians. They will lose their job if even suspected of thought crimes. Let alone crimes involved with the written word. Cancel culture has gone general. But cancel culture has been a continuous part of World War II historiography. After 100+ years you can ALMOST get away with being truthful about World War I. But even then you have to start your story and synchronise your watches for August 1914. If you see someone talking about World War I and he is sourcing it back thirty years you can safely assume that he's not reliant on a university job. So you can imagine how much more limited you are with thought-crimes when it comes to the second war for German destruction.
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Post by srr on Apr 23, 2022 13:13:19 GMT 8
We have to be careful with these war stories. Since they have lied about so many things we can't trust them. But the point is war policy didn't stop any cruelty. It made it worse by putting the cruelty into desperately hungry and fearful hands, and later into communist hands. Whereas peace-through-strength could have lead to persuasion and unbiased inspections. It could have lead to a policy of Japanese soldiers mostly being confined to their bases. So supposing the atrocity porn is all good and according to Hoyles? Thats what war with unconditional demands for surrender got us. So that cruelty was another side effect of Western hostility whereas Western persuasion without hostility (but with strength) was not attempted. Cutting off Japan at the knees didn't start with Pearl Harbour. It started right back prior to the invasion of China. I mentioned YouTube's removal of the better documentaries for reason. For one, they are not 'war stories' but part of the History Of Modern Medicine, as usual, using wars and ' uncatchable' mass murderers for the studies & experimentation on living humans that The Medical Professions could never (and SHOULD NEVER), get away with. I won't get into how the memories of a (then child), survivor of Mengele's experiments in Nazi Germany were the same as the memories of child victims of an Australian Hospital in the 1960's, it's too ugly a fact to get into with someone so obviously arguing in bad faith; I will however share a scene by a South Korean director that is a recognition of experiments done by Japanese Doctors in Unit 731, oh, and instead of being called " shoes", the real life victims were referred to as " logs", as in, " Go and get another log.", when they wanted someone else to torture to death in their MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS -Snowpiercer (2013): Mason's Speech
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Post by John Hawkwood on Apr 23, 2022 13:24:40 GMT 8
Most of these lurid German war stories have been debunked. Like little girls being suckled by wolves. Little girls swallowing diamonds and then fishing them out of their poo on a daily basis. We can't prove or disprove Japanese based atrocity porn by sideways glances at lies about the Germans. Its just too difficult. Since up until recently its only Western scholars that had the capacity and training to reconstruct historical events, the Japanese side of these things pretty much have to go to the too hard basket. You also can't go sideways from Australian abuses to prove the Mengele legends. None of this is valid historical reconstruction.
What we know is that the Japanese were particularly harsh to prisoners of war. But these were little 5 foot 2 people who could do a days work on the smell of an oily rag. Their daughters back home were being subject to mass murder bombing of civilians. We had ceased acting reasonable to them even back as far as the twenties, and where we could we were cutting off their food supplies so that means a double food shortage to prisoners of war. So if you saw a photo of Weary Dunlop and he wasn't emaciated you would have to wonder why. Its amazing they let any of us live but I certainly understand the grudges held by our guys of that generation against the Japanese. These long-term hatreds are born out of deviations from the spirit of Just War Theory.
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Post by srr on Apr 23, 2022 13:49:57 GMT 8
As I said - and - so yes, I picked the bad faith arsehole that he is , for what he is -
because those much better sources have even even 'vanished' from 'private' downloads (but that's a whole other topic the bullshitter would love to divert to, so I won't), so instead I'll post another clip from another movie by that South Korean Director -
The Host 2006 HD english Full Movie (prompted to start at the Mass Fumigation Scene)
Another of this outstanding director's movies, "Parasite", also featured fumigation - from wiki - "the first time a non-English language film won the Academy Award for Best Picture and the first time Asian writers won Academy Awards for screenwriting." Also, "the Academy Award for Best Director."
Parasite [...] 2019 South Korean black comedy thriller [...] follows a poor family who scheme to become employed by a wealthy family and infiltrate their household by posing as unrelated, highly qualified individuals.
Gee, so much like Sinclair Davidson & Dover's, Bullshitting, Bad Faith Cats ...
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