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Post by Struth on May 20, 2020 7:35:51 GMT 8
Is there any support by people you know for the restrictions to continue?
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Post by NFA on May 20, 2020 9:46:31 GMT 8
Struth,
I think you will find that it is more the likes of us that are as a "voice crying in the wilderness".
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Post by NFA on May 20, 2020 10:52:54 GMT 8
President Trump Holds Cabinet Meeting to Discuss COVID-19 Economic Efforts – Video and Transcript…
Remarks by Assistant Secretary for Substance Abuse — for Mental Health and Substance Abuse, Dr. Eli McCance-Katz, who’s a psychiatrist and is the first-ever psychiatrist to lead SAMHSA.
And she, if you don’t mind, was going to say a couple words, really, about how extended stay-at-home orders can impose really lasting mental health challenges for us. If that’s okay, Mr. President.
THE PRESIDENT: We’d love that. Please, Doctor.
DR. MCCANCE-KATZ: Mr. President, Vice President Pence, members of the Cabinet, and colleagues, as I’ve listened to states and communities struggle with mental illness issues that have arisen as a result of the virus, I wanted to ensure that governors, yesterday, heard these concerns from a medical perspective.
As my physician colleagues on the task force have been careful to rightly note, their perspective and advice centers on one aspect of the pandemic: virus containment. However, even medically, it is not the sole perspective. I felt that it was important to offer the governors a different, albeit equally important, medical perspective.
As such, I made the following remarks:
It is my privilege to serve as the Assistant Secretary for Mental Health and Substance Use. But today, I really speak to you more as a psychiatrist who also happens to hold a PhD in infectious disease epidemiology.
Never did I imagine the nation would be experiencing the coinciding of mental health issues and infectious disease that my training addressed. The research literature is clear on the effects of quarantine and stay-at-home practices on mental health. We know that the longer the duration of these orders, the greater the intensity of the mental health problems experienced. We also know that these symptoms persist for years to come, even once quarantine is lifted. The data tells us that when the lives of adults, children, and families are drastically changed for extended lengths of time, for many, anxiety, depression, and stress disorders will become manifest and will persist. These are real health conditions with potentially long-lasting consequences that must be taken seriously.
To put all of this in perspective, I believe it is important to point out that, pre-pandemic, we lose 120,000 lives a year to drug overdose and suicide. How many more lives are we willing to sacrifice in the name of containing the virus?
When we look at strategies to reopen, as a medical doctor, I ask that you take into account whole health, not just one narrow aspect of physical health. We continually ask ourselves what the health costs and risks may be of reopening, but I ask: What might they be of not reopening or reopening in such a restrictive way that American lives are not restored? Of course, containing the effects of coronavirus are critically important, but so too is preventing suicide. So too is keeping a person from being terrified to ever leave their home. So too is protecting the mental health of our nation’s young people.
I ask you to remember that not every home is a safe home. Not every individual can withstand the trauma of not seeing or interacting physically with loved ones. Not every parent can survive the mental anguish of not being able to feed their children because of lost employment. Not every child can exist in a healthy way without the structure and support of school. We have to take a step back and recognize the other effects of our policies.
While we contain the virus, are we increasing the risk for suicide and drug overdose? Are we creating a future of substance use and addiction for millions of additional Americans? And if we are doing those things, why have we decided collectively that this is okay? We’ve worked so hard in states and communities across this country to combat epidemics like the opioids crisis. Why are we willing to forget those efforts now or deem them less important?
As a psychiatrist, I would argue that a life lost to suicide is just as important as a life lost to coronavirus. A family who loses someone to drug overdose experiences the same grief as a family who loses a loved one to coronavirus. Let us not forget that all American lives are precious.
Our citizens count on us to remember their health and safety in all aspects of life. The preservation of Americans’ health and the health of our citizens cannot be measured by only one metric. Virus containment cannot be our only goal, no matter the cost to Americans.
If we ignore the reality of the enormous mental health strain we’ve put on our citizens on the backdrop of an already overburdened mental healthcare system, I’m saddened but certain that the next major public health crisis of our time will be that of mental and substance use disorders, and it is not far behind.
I urge you to factor this reality into your planning, and I thank you for the work you’ve done thus far on behalf of the millions of Americans with mental and substance use disorders.
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Post by Struth on Jul 13, 2020 6:25:08 GMT 8
I am located in Qld. I remember during the last lock down going out and about and doing what I felt like, where I was still able to, without a gun being pointed at me.
During these lockdowns three quarters of the population are still out and about working, and we are all going to the supermarkets....the bloody supermarkets we are allowed to visit still...what sort of quarantining is this?
It's a very sad, illegal and disgusting joke.
Thousands are crossing borders daily to keep the supermarket shelves stacked and plumbers and electricians are still visiting homes and on and on the list goes.
All those businesses office staff and back room services like storeman and forklift drivers ,all at work.
And yet once finished they go home to their houses and LOCK THEMSELVES IN just because the government told them to do it.
There is no effective quarantining taking place, anywhere, even in a lock down, and yet people CHOSE to surrender to tyranny.
You are as free as you want to be.
And where you are not free, it is because the government are using force of arms to take your freedom from you.
Why would you oblige tyranny by obeying it when no gun was pointed at you?
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Post by Struth on Jul 17, 2020 5:27:39 GMT 8
We wake to another day of passengers aboard the Titanic fighting over who gets into the life boats. Still fearing for their lives, no one notices the ship is still afloat, motionless, months after it hit the ice burg , with only a scratch on the hull. The ship’s captain (a pirate in disguise), keeps people from escaping the ship by force of arms, telling them they will all hit an ice burg and die if allowed the freedom of rowing away.
The rival company (the red flag lines) is ecstatic and secretly pays off the pirate to keep the hostages locked down.
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Post by NFA on Jul 20, 2020 14:18:13 GMT 8
Australia - Population 25.5 million - Total CCP Covid Deaths = 123 - %deaths of population = 0.000492%
Victoria - Population 6.6 million - Total CCP Covid Deaths = 39 - %deaths of population = 0.000590909%
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Post by Struth on Jul 22, 2020 14:10:33 GMT 8
So far Victorians have given up all their freedom, that is all of them, allowing unaccountable government to order more harsh conditions than the tyranny imposed by communist regimes of the past, and been forced to de humanize themselves by masking up, which they seem to be happy to do, for what will be now months on end when the two lock downs are combined, allow their economy to be trashed, have food stuffs and the likes of toilet paper rationed.
I feel like ringing the Victorian dictator Dan and tell him he forgot curfews.
And yet thousands more of the same demographic the cofib1984 apparently kills, died of the flu last year.
And no one asks questions?
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Post by ricardo99 on Jul 23, 2020 1:04:42 GMT 8
I will tell you now that Victorians have had enough. Particularly those along the Murray, as well as NSW residents who commute to work and farm also. There is fury here and you can see the scales falling. Will it be enough, who knows but I certainly keep hammering away on my fora.
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Post by NFA on Jul 23, 2020 14:11:18 GMT 8
Black Ball
Is the bridge at Murrabit locked down for even locals?
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Post by ricardo99 on Jul 23, 2020 20:08:05 GMT 8
Black Ball
Is the bridge at Murrabit locked down for even locals?
From what I know yes |
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Post by NFA on Jul 27, 2020 0:42:18 GMT 8
Black Ball
I grew up some miles north of that Bridge.
Ferken evil gubmint.
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