Post by Socialist Energy on Jun 23, 2022 2:46:39 GMT 8
"And you wonder why I support ZERO TAXATION!" Its because you are an idiot thats why. If you said getting rid of the income tax, that would be something that you could argue. But thats not what you are saying. If you support it as a method of ruining everything so we can speed up a reformation then you should say that.
Liechtenstein has better banking then the rest of us. Therefore they have better employment than anyone else. Therefore their welfare requirement is minimal. And so in 2010 their company tax was 12% and their personal income tax was only 1.2%. No government oil revenues or anything. So that shows where we can go with this if we get our sovereignty back and if we can get the bankers under our heels rather than the other way around. The bankers aren't under the heels of the Liechtenstein people. Its just that the family of the Prince owns the main bank. And he's consciously chosen not to impoverish his people with the land inflation and mass immigration combination that the rest of the Western World suffers under. Instead he has chosen to have his family bank lend to people who will use the money to invest in a way that creates jobs. Or at least that was the situation in 2010. So this quickly creates a workers paradise, and a situation where government taxation requirements are fairly minimal.
So this shows what can be achieved if we neutralise foreign crypto-invaders. But going into a serious discussion with this zero taxation mantra ..... the stupidity is oppressive. I was trying to get over very important points about foreign disruption of our energy policy and what must be done about it, and instead of understanding WHY the Randian view of free speech is now untenable, you go and bugger the thread. Now get over yourself because we have a country to save.
Yay, zero taxation for me as well. Why do we need taxes taken out? Seriously.
Think about what sort of society we would have creating events and fundraisers for our military. Think of the national unity. The donation civilisation. The understanding of issues that come from giving money instead of having it forcefully taken. Roads and infrastructure paid by taxes are a mess. Think twice. Zero forced wealth removal....what sort of a society could and would exist?
No thats just idiocy, unless you are claiming that we need a crisis that will spark reform. We still need police and defence for the time being. Perhaps you are hoping we will have a crisis, fall into the hands of the Chinese, then that gets us away from Deep State control, then since China will soon fail demographically we may inevitably break free, and so doing really stupid shit like losing our defence capacity will be a better thing in the long run. Well if you want to make that argument make it. But otherwise you are just being an idiot, and I asked that you guys not be idiots. I don't think thats too much to ask.
See if you think that total failure can mean success like Russia failing in the 90's just so she can succeed now ..... Well you can make that case. Otherwise its probably not the best thing to disrupt all conversations with these sudden bursts of stupidity.
You're an institutionailsed mind, bird. A socialist at heart.
You cannot fathom that money, and large quantities can be generated other than by forceful removal from others,........redistribution of wealth, forcefully, where a true conservative realise people will gladly pay , by choice, for what they desire. And desiring security is paramount to most people. The wealth of the citizenry untaxed would allow for money to go directly to where it is needed and where it is warranted. To defense, and a wealthy nation would pay, getting exactly what is desired, a strong military.
There is no excuse/ reason whatsoever, that cannot be countenanced , that requires government to forcefully remove a citizen's wealth. None ever...it's just that people like you can't understand user pays. And the willingness of the user to pay.
No no. Its just you being an idiot. You can't get ideal anarcho-capitalism via a failed state, without a catastrophe in the interim. And that methodology is not likely to lead to anything good at all. But just as likely to lead to the sort of eternal quagmire that places like Argentina are only coming out of now.
I keep asking you to stop being an idiot. But you keep going with it. If you want to argue that precipitating a horrendous life-destroying crisis is the only catalyst possible to bring us out of deep state dominance go ahead and make that fucking argument. I'd find that kind of speculation actually very interesting and would want to flesh such ideas out. After all Russia didn't emerge from communism without the dual catastrophes of World War II and their 1990's experience. So yeah. Go right ahead with that train of thought. That would be intellectually stimulating. But don't be a moron. Because building back better after currency destruction would be a gulf that many of us would never survive. We ought not pretend otherwise.
Once again. Stop being an idiot. Start getting some kind of sense of time going, with the idea of reform via catastrophe. Yes we may get reform that way. No we can't guarantee such an outcome.
There are sensible anarcho-capitalists. I listen to Hoppe any chance I can get. But even they wouldn't just advocate what you are advocating. Hoppe himself seems to want to promote eventual anarcho-capitalism via a heavy bias towards secession. I like this but any secessionist small state needs to be a fortress state like Singapore in the medium to long term. Just to make clear that I'm not hard-hearted about the idea, here is the best video supporting anarcho-capitalism that I have yet seen.
Probably the lowest risk pathway is via ultra-cantonisation. Where we have more and more states. A part of country New South Wales and Victoria breaking away to form another state. Keep doing this more and more and folding out more responsibilities to the locals. So gun laws should be local. Maybe social security should be national for the time being. Liechtenstein has 11 small towns and the Prince holds them responsible to a great degree for welfare. Not to have people in poverty and destitution. But since he has functional banking wages are fantastic and the businesses can't get enough workers. Thats the paradise we want and it makes cutting the size of government easy and righteous. So important to give the locals the power to control banking. If not money and banking. How to divide up defence requirements for the cantons in the medium term is a serious issue.
See though Rozeff supports anarcho-capitalism as an idea, he recognises that the culture isn't nearly ready for it. He's NOT trying to argue for AC via catastrophe.
You are. I keep asking you to stop being an idiot but you keep going. If you mean no income tax at the federal level, like Ron Paul ran on, there is very good arguments for that. So say that. But thats not what you are saying. You are saying zero taxation.
The best idea is to lock in some small measure, that would deliver the good and free society eventually. Even if it would take 1000 years for this measure to deliver the goods. But then once this measure is locked in, try to speed the liberation process up. But without risking total loss of the project.
The measures that fit this bill are 1. Phasing out of fractional reserve banking 2.Locking in a zero taxes for sole trader retained earnings and 3. Making it dead easy to create new smaller states. In that order. If we had all three fully locked in we know where this would lead. It would eventually lead to a magnificent renaissance and age of prosperity and liberty. "Maybe not in time for you or for me, but one day at Christmas Time" (S. Wonder) But like all big projects you need to not worry about the 1000 year time period, but simply put the project in place .... and hope for good luck down the track.
Yep, zero taxation. It can and has worked. Brunei is a guiding light. A rich country. Taxation is not necessary to fund infrastructure, services and defense. The sultan isn't the only rich bloke there.
It doesn't work via forced taxation anyway, as we clearly now see, and health should never be socialised, for the reasons we see so clearly in the last two years. Taxation is nothing but forced wealth transfer from the productive to the grifting elite. Nothing NEEDS government funding, not even defense. Social cohesion and unity comes from volunteering and supporting your fellow countrymen via funding and activities given by choice.
Government needs only a room and representatives to meet in that room to discuss and make laws. But I'm sure they'd get a whole building if the punters WANTED to raise enough money for it. Nothing else needs taxation. The removal of taxes would result in a better funded defense force.