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Post by Struth on May 28, 2022 8:16:20 GMT 8
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Post by Struth on May 28, 2022 9:24:40 GMT 8
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Post by Struth on May 28, 2022 9:28:17 GMT 8
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Post by memoryfault on May 28, 2022 10:43:56 GMT 8
I call BS on the post above that starts "I was a scrutineer".
The situation described, IF it actually occurred, constitutes a criminal offence carrying a possible prison sentence. IF it occurred, the "scrutineer" allegedly making the claim should report the matter to the police AND the AEC ASAP. I doubt very much that such a report will ever made, for the simple reason that I doubt such an alleged event occurred as described.
Besides which, there was no real need for major fraud as is being claimed. It was always a fifty-fifty or better chance that Labor would win because the Liberals generally, and Morrison in particular, were on the nose with the electorate anyway. Palmer, Kelly and the UAP destroyed any chance they had of winning some seats when they reneged on the "sack them all - put the sitting member last" mantra, and preferenced the Liberals. I witnessed first hand the anger this generated when I voted.
Pauline Hanson has been on the nose with the older, conservative voters since 2019 - her traditional voter base - when she voted in favour of making people reliant on government payments be paid via a controlled debit card. When asked why she had voted for the bill she responded with "because we have to change society".
So, unless there is actual evidence otherwise, can we please stop with these totally unsubstantiated claims of "massive vote fraud". The major frauds in this election were Kelly and Palmer claiming to be some sort of protest vote against the majors, when in truth they were nothing more than hoovers for Liberal preferences, and Hanson claiming to represent downtrodden older Australians, when in truth she is now just another politician who "knows what's best for us".
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Post by Struth on May 28, 2022 10:56:20 GMT 8
MV, you're living in politics 1995
IF it occurred, the "scrutineer" allegedly making the claim should report the matter to the police AND the AEC ASAP. .
That should fix it.....go to the government about the government. What the fuck do you think happened in the last two years?!
Only possible with the march throught the institutions over the last 50 years.
Please factor in that it is 2022 and we've basically been under communist control for two years. You are drawing on your experiences back in a country called Australia, a CONSTITUTIONAL monarchy that no longer exists. What you consider are normal AEC practices or government practices in general are from another country.
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Post by NFA on May 28, 2022 11:11:14 GMT 8
I'll bet the scrutineer would be too scared to go near any Australian "police" force in today's Australia.
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Post by memoryfault on May 28, 2022 11:20:30 GMT 8
Struth,
I'm not denying that our constitution and our laws have been thrown under a bus in the last two years. I've written about myself, just as extensively as you.
I'm pointing out that IF some the claims about vote fraud being made had any substance, then all the people making them need do is proceed to their local police station and make out a formal complaint. IF that happens, and IF actual evidence of it being done is presented**, and IF nothing happens, THEN I might just start believing these claims. Until then they are just empty ravings of sore losers and excuse makers.
** When making a complaint to police wait until it is signed, dated and stamped, then request a copy. If nothing happens after that, forward copies of your complaint to the Police Commissioner in your state, the Court of Disputed Returns, your local member, and alternative media outlets including social media.
You and I both know that isn't going to happen, albeit for very different reasons.
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Post by Struth on May 28, 2022 11:33:20 GMT 8
And Biden is still in the white house, after all that proof and what the world saw on the night.
A world that saw Trump winning so they stopped the counting brought in some bags of biden votes and all of a sudden Biden is winning.
The USA is still armed and that happened.
Have you noticed what our police chiefs are like these days?
I know what you are saying MV, but your telling them to report Mafia crimes to the Godfathers.
Here's what I believe has happened.....massive corruption of the votes by disappearing freedom party votes....people did not stay home from voting.
But also when it comes to preferential voting, they have "assumed" where the preferences were going to and this time they weren't going to where they assumed. And they assumed all sorts of bullshit as to where the preferences would be allocated to, and the AEC get to do the second and final count that matters which is for all purposes behind closed doors althought they claim it isn't.
My point is obvious when thought about. Once counting begins, it cannot be stopped for any reason until the count has been finalised.
I cannot fathom why people find it so hard to believe there is a corrupt voting system when it closes DURING counting.
The trust Australians have in unelected bureaucrats is astounding.
It's who's got the guns, and who will use them.
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Post by Struth on May 28, 2022 11:42:25 GMT 8
So tell me this, while the vote counting gets closed down, and someone still holds the keys to the safe when all others are gone home, what could possibly happen there?
Is it just all above board becaause ...um....er....we are Australians and we don't do that sort of thing.
Or "this isn't the USA" or some other ignorant parochial Australian boof headed vacuous statement as an excuse.
Why can people get knocked off, told to go home and then officials can do what they like?
Clive claims to have video footage of those same AEC officials removing votes to their own home.
Whether that is true or not, in this dire predicament our country finds itself in, in this dark our close to midnight, the system having these procedures in place to faciltate rigging should have people screaming from the rooftops.
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Post by memoryfault on May 28, 2022 12:32:41 GMT 8
Okay Struth, we'll leave it at that.
There are 151 electorates in Australia, most of them having one twenty or more polling booths, and most them having five or more scrutineers. That's around three thousand polling booths, and fifteen thousand scrutineers. You are stating as fact that a large percentage of those fifteen thousand scrutineers witnessed voter fraud, including those employed by Palmer, and not one of them, including those employed by Palmer, has made any form of formal complaint, "just because". You stick to that.
I, on the other hand, will choose to believe my own lying eyes and ears. I voted at a pre-polling station on the Tuesday prior to the election. It was as busy as my normal place of voting on actual election day. Going in nobody was taking how to vote cards from anybody except the UAP guy.
Coming out the same guy was surrounded by a small, but very angry crowd - a couple, maybe in their fifties, another couple, maybe a father and daughter, and a young bloke maybe late twenties. They all had the same beef - what the effing hell was the third preference to Liberal - the sitting member - all about? What happened to "sack them all, put the sitting member last"? I got the impression that none of them had ended up UAP because of it.
So Struth, you go on believing the completely unsubstantiated stories of "massive voter fraud", and I will go on believing what I witnessed personally - that Palmer and the UAP committed seppuku by trying to play silly buggers with their preferences, and we'll leave it at that. I've got more important things to do. Get back to me When Palmer lodges a complaint with the AEC, the Court of Disputed Returns, or the police. Whichever.
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Post by Struth on May 28, 2022 12:47:06 GMT 8
I'm not stating a large number witnessed voter fraud at all. I am reposting the ones that are claiming they saw it and telling you why many of them would not have seen it due to closing counting before it is finished.
And apparently, from what the letter from the UAP states there are official complaints been put in, and typically I suppose, he's got his lawyers onto it.
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Post by Struth on May 30, 2022 5:55:07 GMT 8
Kristina Keneally has them screaming as she puts two and two together..Publicly. Kristina claims she lost because people had it in for the majors in the seat she was going for, Fowler....aptly named. She states it was a pox on both parties and that the UAP's How to vote cards were "unaturally high" While I have it from a very reliable source that in many electorates UAP candidates used up there 65000 HTV cards in the first week and a half of pre polling and had to get urgent reprints from HQ. Here's Keneally telling it straight.
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