Looking at what has happened in the USA and France recently......we've got a snowflakes chance in hell of having a fair election.
The problem the west has is that most people still think elections aren't rigged....even after what we saw in the USA with out own eyes.
It was a coup. People not in denial, can see this a mile away. They even had to stop counting to ensure the criminal activity would be successful, such was the high turn out for Trump.
They then took control of the Capitol Building and fenced it off with democrat voting troops guarding it. WTF does anyone think happened?
French President Macron has 70% of the nation despising him, can't be seen out as he'll be pelted and attacked, yet won the election, after the last two years.
The win by the QLD Premier after the destruction she brought upon millions of voters, where people felt game enough in a country renowned for it's fear of speaking about politics publicly, to state they want to kill her, yet she romped it in.
Excuse me, but fuck off. Fuck right off. I'm not buying it for a minute. For every Covid Karen there were two at least that were disgusted with her.
We have voting machines. Chinese programmed, Chinese operated voting Machines.
We have paper ballots that get counted and the results punched into a computer.
Those waiting for elections to save us do not get what they are up against and by the time they do, it will be too late.
It's obvious and has been from the time we saw them stop the counting in the US 2020 elections that they were fraudulent.
Dumping postal votes and with dominion voting machines easily falsifying the outcomes, the enemies of freedom stole capitol hill and set the barbed wire around it, and sent the democrat voting troops into the stockade behind the wire.
Our government claims it won't be using dominion voting machines.....yet does not deny using machines, and will be allowing phone in voting?
There's so much criminal activity in the last US vote (and I suspect in the last few state elections here in Australia) that Dinesh has collated it all into one damning movie.
I have a small window per day to be on the net at the moment.
If any of you have any information that the Australian government is keeping quiet about regarding the voting system, electronic voting, machines....phoning in "apps" etc, as we've already seen the AEC crack the sads and get any scrutiny of what they are up to squashed.......it would be very helpful. Australia does corruption better that any nation on earth. They either legalise it, or keep it well hidden.
Oh, and let's not forget, keep everyone amused with a bit of war theatre in another hemisphere while they f..k things here. You'd have to be totally gullible to think after the last two years we are going to have anything except a Soviet style election.
"This is the "Put the Majors last " site. It was mentioned on the Outsiders and the ensuing kajillion hits nearly crashed the site!"
This website is a sham. The recommendations are a con. The whole purpose is to ultimately channel votes to Liberal, Labor, or Nationals in the HoR.
Ignore the 'how to vote' "advice" given at this site. Number the sitting member LAST if they are Liberal, Labor, or Nationals. Follow the "advice" given and you will be electing, or reelecting, Liberal Labor, or National.
I've never said you were wrong with your theories about this, MV, I'm saying it's unachievable.
If we can get a third of Australians putting the lib labs below the four or so freedom party candidates, there are enough other parties above them that it will come down to preferences between One nation going to Palmer, going to Lib Dems and other freedom parties, the bulk will stay away from falling to the big two. However if the rusted ons follow their how to vote cards and Libs preference Labor and vice versa, that nullifies all effort. And I am of the conclusion that they've already sorted out who's winning anyway, and it's all just theatre. Look at Macron getting voted back in..........It's a joke.
"If we can get a third of Australians putting the lib labs below the four or so freedom party candidates, there are enough other parties above them that it will come down to preferences between One nation going to Palmer, going to Lib Dems and other freedom parties, the bulk will stay away from falling to the big two."
No, Struth. That's not how it works, not even remotely.
Liberals/Nationals and Labor traditionally get around 50% or better of the first preference votes between them. After that the rigged preference system takes over, pretty much ensuring one of those three wins. That has translated as 144 seats out of 151 in the last election in 2019, 146 seats out of 150 in the election before (2016), and 144 seats out of 150 in 2013.
The ONLY way to break that nexus is to NUMBER THE SITTING MEMBER LAST, if they are Liberal, Labor, or National. That way there can be no flow-on of preferences. The website is called "majorlast", and has the catchline "put the majors last", demonstrating conclusively that they understand the principle.
But then they ignore the principle and list the major parties, including the sitting member, directly below he minors. This means most of the votes will eventually trickle down to one of the three majors. If you can't see that there is no helping you.
To add insult to injury in the seven examples I worked through in three states, EVERY generated how to vote card listed the Greens last, even though they got bugger all first preference votes in any of the seats.
There is only one way to break the stranglehold the major parties have on government, and that is by people numbering the sitting member last. It would take around 600,000 people spread out across Australia doing this to totally throw a spanner in the works of the major parties. You say this is "unachievable" while at the same time promoting a system that eight million voters would have to follow to achieve the stated result.
This isn't usual times MV. You're looking at a country called Australia which basically doesn't exist at the moment. We've now had a coup d'etat for two years and not ons state of emergency has been rescinded. These are not normal times. The hate for the majors is massive and they aren't going to get anywhere near 50% of the vote either side. If it was 1990's and they only had a couple of independents challenging them I'd agree but it's not.
However, as I stated above, I can't be so naive as to believe that with what is going on and all that has happened, the voting won't be rigged. This election will be a farce.
"The hate for the majors is massive and they aren't going to get anywhere near 50% of the vote either side."
The libs plus Labor, or the Nats plus Labor (Libs and Nats rarely run against each other in a seat), will collectively get 50% plus of the first preference votes, and unless that stranglehold is challenged one of them will win. As always. The system is designed to ensure that outcome. The only way to break that stranglehold is by numbering the sitting member last.
And can we get over the "the voting system rigged so there's no point" sob. Yes, the preference system is rigged, as I've recounted many times before. But the actual act of voting and counting those votes is very tightly controlled and monitored. Upthread you have claimed rigged Chinese voting machines and computers. That is crap. In this country ALL federal election voting is ultimately done on paper, and every piece of paper is rigorously accounted for. There were attempts in the last two elections to cheat, and both were uncovered. In one case (WA Senate) the entire state had to vote again.
The one new exception is the new phone voting for people in isolation with Covid on election day. Nothing like this has been done before and I can only hope there is some way of verifying uptake.
If your sitting member is a Lib or Labor Major party seat shiner and they are preferencing each other how does that matterwhich one of them you put last as long as both parties are down the bottom. My point being the incumbent who you believe is going to get the majority of the votes is not assured of it these elections and you'll never stop people putting their old party above the other. In other words, a ULP voter who used to once vote Labor is going to put labor above Libs and vice versa. Dealing with the times we live in, the political ignorance of the average voter, the simple message of "put the majors last" ....which really is gaining traction, is a realistic message to push, as you'll get both ex Labor and ex Libs pushing it. Tell me why the Libs are so absolutely shitting themselves about it and on Sky pleading with people who may be considering a "protest vote" to put them second to save us all from the Labor party they will be preferencing? That little bitch senator from Queensland with the shit eating grin, Stoker, is almost apoplectic.
If there are two many parties preferenced before them, they'll never get their votes united with Labor.
And they passed election laws recently to use computers to tally the counts coming in. You only need a little crack to shove a heap of votes through in marginals.
Can you admit this is a changed country and consider being very fucking cynical about the election integrity this time especially? Using you
". . . how does that matter which one of them you put last as long as both parties are down the bottom."
1) - It doesn't matter if there are three candidates, 13 candidates, or 30 candidates, you can only number ONE candidate "last".
2) - The candidate you number "last" cannot benefit from the flow of your preferences regardless of how you number the other candidates.
3) - The candidate you number "last" cannot benefit any other candidate regardless of how you number the other candidates.
This is not complex politics, it's simple arithmetic. The fact that you can't see that is depressing. Voting in accordance with the PML "advice" will guarantee the return of the Liberal/Labor/National cabal, possibly with a reduced majority - 100 to 120 seats out 151, instead of the 143 they have now. But still an absolute majority.
If enough people follow it, it will mean the return of a Labor government simply because Liberals/Nationals occupy more marginal seats than Labor. I can't help but get the uneasy feeling that is the whole purpose of the PML website and campaign. It is a pity Monica Smit has been suckered into supporting it. I had high hopes for her, but if this pans out the way I suspect it will, it will be the end of her and the Reignite Australia Democracy movement.
And the second to last gets nothing once the preferences flow to the first over 50% correct? I think you still believe the majors will get more votes than the combined preferencing each other minors above them. If 20% vote for PHON and the she loses out to UAP who gets preferenced by the majority of her voters, and they were at thirty percent, and then the lib dems preferences and acouple of freedom independants and their preferences flowed via PHON to the UAP, then right down the bottom, either second to last to last is the majors, who cares.....if they don't get enough primary votes and enough second or third preferences?